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Savage Auntie's avatar

The thing I find striking is that "Rabinowitz concludes that we can’t ask men to “‘suck it up’ and accept lives that feel meaningless to them.”" But here's the thing: Under the traditional masculinity/patriarchy model, the one that these men apparently need so they can feel manly, women are absolutely supposed to suck it up and accept lives that feel meaningless to them.

We need men telling men to act like real adults, not men telling men they can only be men if women can't even be fully human. I mean, in the entirety of human history, giving men everything they want hasn't actually made them happy either.

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this was such a banger. it was so well-expressed. it works because, manifestly, after all those years of "fire men into the sun" jokes, this essay makes it so transparent that you fundamentally respect me more than J.D. Vance respects himself.

The comparison to white women who have to function in "ugh white women ruin everything. white women hands off my Beyonce" discursive environments is especially clarifying. (honestly, some red-brown grifter should try that tactic as part of their heel turn. "I felt violently attacked when someone called me Karen. I love Trump now")

I think the reason that I faintly, slightly, and with considerable irritation, feel a little sympathy with the idea that men, or white straight men, might feel a little adrift in leftist spaces is that, if you're around people who are really into maximalist versions of standpoint theory -- that people's knowledge is determined by their identities, and that there are essential truths that we'll just *never hear* unless we hear from every representative of every category and every possible intersection of categories, while white men, men, etc., have in some essential sense already been "heard from" -- well, that implies a world in which men have no real knowledge to bring or contribution to make. all we can or should do is shut the fuck up and take orders. all the declarations about who the future of the left "looks like" and who it doesn't look like sound this way to me: you can take them as a statement about who is at the actual center of the story, but you can also take them as a statement to the effect "I wish you weren't alive at all, but since you are, I'll grudgingly tolerate your silent presence in this movement, for now." (in a situation like that, of course some of us are gonna run off at the mouth twice as much.)

there are two rhetorical ways I can see to make clear that this isn't the argument. one is to offer some account of the special things men, white men, straight men, etc. can see and know. for obvious reasons I really don't want anyone to do that. I don't think it's true. any of us may be specially gifted in some area; as a group, we're not special. (the one exception to this is that I do think our physical presence can confer a certain amount of protection on others -- it's just a little harder for a racist soldier to fire live ammo if he sees a bunch of white dudes at the front of the Black Lives Matter rally, or whatever. we should remember this. it's just practical.) the other avenue, which I think *is* open to the left, is just to occasionally reaffirm a rhetorical commitment to those dreaded universal principles, to the idea that, actually, human subjectivities are singular, other white men haven't already "spoken for me," the world will never be fully mapped, the mind and the imagination are as much a part of our experience as what we label "lived experience," a hostile stranger doesn't actually know what my "lived experience" is just from looking at me, everyone really is a unique little snowflake. leftists sometimes don't want to say things like this because it sounds too much like "western individualism" or "liberal individualism." I think it's just true, though, and I feel paranoid when I'm surrounded by people who I think genuinely have stopped believing it. I'll still go to the meeting, if I think my presence there might matter, but I'll always be watching my back, and if another guy says "It's weird being around people who value me most when I am bringing the least of myself" (as a male former prisoner who was trying to adjust to progressive norms once told me), I do get it.

I realize I sound paranoid and like somebody who overthinks shit. No kidding!!!! we're all like that, it's called being a leftist.

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